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Dumb butt? How have *I* obfuscated anything in the above? Please point to a single note of obfuscation or f***in' apologize for being an idiot. You don't even know what the word means, do you. You talk about bringing evac buses in from f***in' DALLAS?? They had mere hours to get out after the mandatory evac was announced. What kind of drugs are you on, fuzz nuts?

Look, I know you like playing the fantasy fool in this thread, but get this straight, son. Only in your dreams would 2,300 buses or more be marshaled for an improptu evactuation of a major metropolitan area in the span of 6 or 12 hours. Acknowledging that it could not have been done is not defeatism or pessimism. It is reality. If you try to put your plan into action for the next event of this type, the same poo would have resulted. Just tell us where you're getting the bus drivers from, oh court jester.

butthole. You could not have gotten together all the buses in the city -- let alone bring over those in Dallas; BWAHAHAHAAAA whatta fool -- in time to pull *anyone* out before the 'cane hit that night.

Please try to demonstrate in your mouth-breathing type of logic just how my advocacy of a more effective emergency rescue and relief operation that actually saves people -- rather than dwelling on your armchair quarerbacking after the fact for a plan that could not ever have worked -- is defeatism.

Idiot, are you even following the thread here? WHERE DO YO GET THE DRIVERS FROM IN AN HOUR OR TWO ON SUNDAY? HUH? I think most of them are busy saving their own families first. Wuttaanidiot.

Buses don't drive themselves.

Actually, I am a schooled expert in logic. That was my degree. It is you who is not being logical. The fact that buses exist in New Oreans does not mean the authorities had the f***in' MEANS to get them on the streets with some kind of funding, fuel, logistical plan, destinations, resources, announcements to the people, pick-up points, etc etc etc, in a matter of an hour or two -- which is all the time they had to get something going once the level of threat was apparent Sunday morning.

Sad but true, and all your wishful hindsight does not make it better. Maybe this will serve as a lesson for development of future civil defense plans.

Rewriting history now, eh, knuckle-dragger?? The mandatory evac came Sunday morning. We all wish, like you, that authorities had been prescient enough Friday and Saturday to do this -- I really do -- but they were not. So work with what was possible, not what you wish to be so.

Voluntary. Dumb butt. Voluntary on Saturday. It would have been nice if they had done that then but they did not. Deal with Sunday now, idiot, when they declared mandatory evac.

Wuttanbutthole UR.

You're the butthole here. Let's keep that straight, huh?

Wow. A mandatory evac plan staffed with spur-of-the-moment volunteers! You're really cookin' now, dude!!

Idiot, there was no 48 hours. It was like 12. A voluntary evac did not kick into motion the types of drastic draconian measures that eventually were needed. Voluntary meant "We think you ought to try to leave."

This is a nasty sahme and tragic for all involved. It surely must lead to changes in the civil defense system. But still, it just wasn't in the cards Saturday, so f*** off with your 48 hours.

Nope. Not on Sunday afternoon. This has to be organized months and years in advance.

Definitely no where nearly as stupid as you continually demonstrate YOU are in this and other threads, son.

And that does not answer what I asked. How do you know that there were no *independent* and impromptu and even successful efforts to get transport-dependent folks out somewhere in the city? Oh, that's right, I forgot!! You only believe in gummint doin' it fer ya. BWAHAHAHAA.

Nope. Your own answer contradicts your earlier statement, cum-breath. See below:

Exactly, dumb butt. You said earlier "The city was ORDERED evacuated on Saturday -- 48 hours" and you try to provce *I* am wrong to disagree by pointing out VOLUNTARY evacuation on Saturday. You have now completed all the advanced degree requirements to confer a PhD on you -- Doctor of Phucked-up Lopgic.

A *voluntary* evacuation does not lead to the statement "The city was ordered evacuated..." This did not happen until Sunday morning. Unequivocally true.

Actually it's not. YOU try to come up with a full evac plan from scratch in even your 48 hours (which it wasn't even if it were Saturday morning -- the storm blew in Sunday night. It was more like 36 hours if that.

Uh, no I don't. You live in Hollywood or Fantasyland. I am a realist. Were you a planner, you'd probably have gotten even more end. *I* advocate a relief plan that actually would have gotten some hot dogs or water to the Superdone or convention center on a timely basis. More crews on standby for extrication and pulling people from the mire and muck... IOW, better and fully staffed response. It was *inevitable* that tens of thousands could never make it out of a 1.3 million metro area. You see, my plan would SAVE people.... In your plan people would have waterED standing on street corners waiting for buses that had no drivers.

Dumb butt.

Not baloney. Truth.

You truly are not reading. That has been the ENTIRE NEXUS of my posts from the start!! Fuc kin' Ay, go back and read this stuff before you begin to look like a half-born eejit. I wanted to see the relief crews get in to the dying people *at least as fast as CNN* but it still took them three more days. Where in that do you find me not getting it through *my* thick skull that your precious gummint failed to lift a finger to mitigate? That's the actual POINT of everything I've been telling you, butthole.

Halleluia!! A spark is starting to ignite in the brain of the idiot boy. Now just keep extending that thought and maybe you'll understand what I have been telling you!

Yayyyy! You're starting to agree with me now!!

OK. Now you lost me. You just restated all of my argument points, but then relapse into idiot mode. It's you who loves gummint so much. I have been extremely critical of the response. In fact, bubula, you and I have mostly agreed on this aftermath poo, if you'd stop to read what I post. Where we have disagreed is over your fantasy world, fueled by perfect hindsight, that driverless buses would have saved the mulbreastudes. No they wouldn't have. What we needed was relief crews who would take some hot dogs or MREs or water to the Superdome before f***in THURSDAY; if so we wouldn't be reading about much of the rest and chaos that happened there.

Your buttumptions are fueled by your stupidity. You stupidly said that not all 1.3 million people were in need of a way to get out of the city. That is patently false. EVERYONE needed a way... some had it at hand, but they needed it. You buttumed what you did beause of your predisposition to define everything in terms of government response, ignoring the private side of things. How in the hell do you get the nerve to accuse *me* of being buttociated with gummint and corrupt politicians when all of your solutions and comments are limited to gummint? It's you who sounds more like a gummint flunkie.

Uh, idiot, unless you are God hisself, this isn;t possible. Katrina only formed a little over a week before entering the gulf. Try to stay focused on what I actually say before sounding like the idiot. I said the extent of *this* catastrophe on *this* occasion wasn't foreseen. Katrina wasn't seen as the level of threat it was to Nawlins until too late to get everyone out. I did *not* say that no one ever studied or planned for a breach of the levees of a CAT 4 or 5 storm.

What failed here was the recognition that Katrina would be that storm.

There you go again with your precious gummint. Well, wrong, it did *not* know that Katrina would be the storm to do all that. It only knew what would happen when such a storm came. They failed to recognize Katrina as the One until *much* too late.

Uh, no. Voluntary evacs have been done for many many many 'canes in the past. You are an idiot if you think that means anything else. And by the way.... DO THE MATH from SUnday morning and the MANDATORY evac. YOU idiot.

You insensitive butthole. It was not effective at all. Didn't you watch the TeeVee? Nonone came for DAYS!!

BWAHAHAHAHAA!! AGain with your mystery buses that no one was there to drive!!

Look, I'll make it simple for you, moron. By *your own words.* Listen: If they couldn't even get helicopters into the Superdome or elsewhere for !!!FOUR DAYS!!! even knowing the extent of the anguish and desperate need, where in the HELL do you think the several thousand volunteer bus drivers were gonna come from on Sunday afternoon? Huh? Eejit.

Uh, fool, pssst... listen to me.... the people taken to Texas now were taken as the result of a planned and organized (although pee-poor) response afterward. My point is that this would not have happened on an impromptu basis hours ahead of the storm on Sunday afternoon. I agree it would have been much much better -- IN HINDSIGHT -- if the mandatory evac had been ordered Saturday BUT IT WASN'T. Maybe there would have been time then, but we will nevert know.

However, the people NOW in Texas are there as a result of w more thought-out planned and logistically supported move. For you to think this proves that anything comparable could have been done Sunday is pure fantasy on your deluded part.

I think I already obliterated your argument on that point, oh government worshipper. All my posts have been highly critical of the government failure. You can stop with that lie now.

Realists like me will save more people than Hollywood gummint dreamers like you. Realism isn't defeatism, understand, son? Only realists can deal with the emergent situation.

Uh, again nope. Reread.

Uh, it was voluntary on Saturday. It didn't apply to nursing homes and the rest. Sad and unfortunate but true. Calls for serious replanning I would say.

So see, you're wrong again.

Prove it.

And prove that, idiot. Then prove it could have been done in the REAL world (not your gummint-sponsored Disneyland) with the true *12* hours (not 48).

I never said that, f***wad. I never said don't try to get everyone out; what I said was your 2,300 buses would not have had drivers and if your plan was in place, people would have watered on street corners waiting for service that would never have come. The focus at this point needs to be on relief efforts afterward, AND THAT IS THE DISMAL FAILURE of this situation.

Rewriting history again. No one decided such a thing. It was not until Sunday that the immense proportion of Katrina's threat led Nagin to call for MANDATORY evac. By then it was way too late to do what you suggest. I too wish it were not so but alas, you cannot rewrite that history of it.

Nice try at insulting. Well actually, not a decent ty at all, butthole. You don't even understand this discussion in that we have f***ing AGREED on criticism for the abysmal response.

It sure is comfy in your armchair on Monday morning imagining that if only you'd been in charge, you'd have saved the world. Get real, sonny.

Your continual calls for total reliance on it belie that.

f*** you, racist.

You suck at math, dude. How in the world does Tuesday-through-Sunday (let's see, 120 hours) equal the same number of hours in a Sunday afternoon? You have access to some time warp thing? You one of them celibate trekkie dudes too in addition to being a usenet plaything?

How do you know nobody tried anything, just because your beloved gummint didn't do it? There is more to New Orleans than just gummint folk. Some other poster on this thread has been bellowing about how an 18-year-old kid took a busload out on his own. Could have been more like that too. You simply don't know, dumb butt, if it ain't gummint-sponsored, do ya?

Nice avoidance of accountability for your previous LIE, son, but you don't escape it. TRY TO FIND ANYWHERE ABOVE where I said all 1.3 million needed buttistance to get out... we're f***in' waiting, you unmitigated LIAR.

Now try again.

Until you understand the discussion, why don't you refrain from spouting off your stupidity.

No they did not. Tuesday-through-Sunday does not equal Sunday afetrnoon. Driverless buses on two hours' notice does not equal a FEMA sponsored post-event evac.

BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I can;t remember the last time someone I voted for won.

Can you please quote anything from that site that actually proves your point? Nothing I saw did. I saw nothing about successfullly evacuating 1.3 million people on mules and smoke signals in six hours. Or even anything like what happened in New Orleans. Irrelevant cite.

Hmmm, just as I suspected, nothing in that one either. They asked people to go somewhere safe and they stockpiled some supplies in a safe place. Nothing about evacuating a city of 1.3 million in two hours atop pack mules.

And no one died in that storm. But still irrelevant cite. You claimed other countries had done better with pack mules and I asked for a cite ot something *similar* -- you know, a big city of over a million people evacuated on a moment's notice.

You have failed to support your point. You only present other stories of preparations but nothing comparable.

On that we agree. Heads must roll and a plan that will have a chance to work must be developed. But your fantasy of pre-Katrina evac is just that. Never would have happened.

Give it up, son.