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Sancho Panza

The fact that contraflow lanes didn't help *everybody* doesn't mean that it didn't help *anybody.* Bone up on logic, bub. The point being argued was whether *nothing* was done for anybody versus something for everybody. Understand the argument if you're gonna engage in it.

Again, you're wide of the mark. Your posts have claimed that only the citizens of New Orleans, and not the suburbs, faced a flooding threat. The gfact that much more than city streets are under water alone belies you. I never said that you claimed the French Quarter was flooded. I pointed out that the quarter wasn't flooded in order to demonstrate that there are parts of the city proper that are not flooded, while there are suburban areas that are.

Get it yet? It isn't enough for you to want only the half-million within city limits to be evacuated. All 1.3 million needed to get out. They all faced the hazards. 160mph winds and rains and floods don't respect city limits.

You're scrambling now, son! There was more hazard than just the possibility of levees failing. But just from that alone, have you seen Arabi, Chalmette, Meraux, etc? Those aerials are all over the 'net, or just look at CNN. Just because you cane name suburban areas that did not flood does not mean that *none* flooded (another example of your errors in logic). Regardless, even citizens of Jefferson County prior to Katrina's arrival faced the threat of flooding, even if only localized from the storm itself and not from levee breaches. Or do you profess to know ahead of time where damage will occur and where it will not?

Uh, I don't know what drugs you're on, but three paragraphs above refuge." If you're having a mental breakdown, better get off usenet and seek help.

How so? There's no contradiction in your saying some suburbanites sought refuge in the city while a suburban parish posted armed guards to keep interlopers from going the other way. You're being pretty goofy here.

Wrong-o!! Check out the aerials from St. Bernard Parish. Flooding is extensive.

Wrong-o! Again, see the aerials. The flooding wasn't limited to the city only. And that's beside the point. You have to deal with the *threat* of flooding and that extended well beyond the city. You don't know beforehand where it might occur. If the levees had held, no one would even be having this discussion. But beforehand, you have to buttume flooding and other damage could happen *anywhere,* even in the suburbs.

Actually it's nine parishes. Bone up.

Go ahead and fish. I said the *evacuation* had to deal with 1.3 million people, not the mayor of New Orleans. As I have repeatedly pointed out to you, the city has just shy of a half million people; metro area has 1.3 million. We are not going to evacuate only the half million in the city and fuggedabout the others, fool. The fact that you set up your own straw man and blow it down on this point does *not* make it my argument!

They were uncertain, actually. Regardless, I am not defending the failure of anyone there to call for earlier mandatory evacuation. My principal argument throughout here has been with the fantasizers such as you who think it could have been carried out on Sunday, after they waited too late.

Thousands more left the city that day.

And that's why thousands more were able to leave on Sunday. The point, bub, is that you are wrong to include *Monday* in your time frame for continuing evac operations.

Yay!!! You agree with me!