Gas: The good 'ol days 2232

Of course I'm right. Your silly scenario of extreme civil chaos and starvation etc just aint seen in the first world. We didnt see anything like that even the great depression or full world wars.

Its only ever seen in the third world.

That is a flagrant lie.

No need to do that when oil extraction peaks, there's still the rest left to use.

That wont ever happen. The most that will happen is that the price of gasoline increases enough to see a gradual switch to alternatives like natural gas for a transport fuel and the use of coal for the production of plastics etc.

We've done that before fine, most obviously with the great depression and the world wars.

That is just plain silly. Even at the most extreme, say no fossil fuels left at all, so we need to use nukes to produce hydrogen to use as a transport fuel and for power generation, there is no reason why that has to see any scaling back of our expectations or lifestyle.

In fact the building of the nukes for that new approach will be a significant benefit to the economy etc. And the fossil fuels wont just vanish overnight, they'll just increase in price and there will be plenty of time to ramp up the change to nukes.

While we may be close to the peak of oil production, we arent with natural gas and no where near that with coal, so we wont be running out of all fossil fuels any century soon.

Consider what happened with the last full world war. Sure, that did produce a considerable impact on many people's day to day life, but it was perfectly feasible to ramp up to immense levels of industrial production that was basically peeed against the wall within weeks or months of production. That actually produced a mbuttive benefit to the economy.

And a major change to say the use of nukes in a couple of years wouldnt have the downsides of the world war, all those corpses.

First world economys are amazingly robust. That's why they are the first world and not the third world.

They'll adjust, just like they did in the 70s and when we had full world wars.

That claim is just plain wrong.

Thats has happened in some first world countrys before and is no big deal. It aint gunna happen tho, you watch.

Nope. Even if the price of gasoline was say 10 times what it is today, that wouldnt see all that much of a 'rude awakening' People like you dont realise that the retail price you pay wouldnt even be noticeably affected if food was free at the farm gate, and if farming had to pay 10 times the price for inputs, that wouldnt have that much effect on the retail price of food either.

And that price isnt going to happen anyway.

And they have clearly managed to adjust to even a full world war fine.

There isnt any need to 'plan for a rainy day', we know that natural gas, coal and ultimately nukes are completely viable alternatives. We dont use them at the moment because its cheaper to use oil instead.

That is just plain wrong when compared to say a century ago.

That last is just plain wrong.

In fact that was mostly a result of their sillier socialist stuff.

That is just plain wrong too.

No big deal when there are those obvious alternatives available.

I'd personally be replacing all the coal power stations with nukes right now, but thats got nothing to do with the use of oil, and would be to do something about global warming and acid rain that is the result of conventional power stations.

And doing that in north america doesnt risk access to plant making materials by those who might use them unspeakably.

Sure, and there are obvious ways to deal with that once it does.

I dont see it as any big deal myself even if it did. What is so unspeakable about using natural gas to power cars ?

Using nukes to generate electricity to heat houses has lots of real advantages convenience wise in the house too. I do that myself right now, just use electricity to heat and cool the house and that isnt even nuke powered, its coal powered.

Nope. Like I said, if the gasoline price went to 10 times its current price, it would be a complete yawn for me, even with the indirect effect that would have on say the food I buy.

Who cares ? They currently stupidly blame Bush. I just sneer.

Sure, but the point is that modern first world economys are so robust that they can handle stupiditys like the Vietnam and Iraq wars fine.

They handle full world wars fine too. Even the Japs ended up with a rather better result than the world war they lost too. Germany in spades.

That never happens in the first world anymore.

It didnt even happen in either Germany or Japan when it turned out that their stupid military adventures had come completely unstuck.

It didnt even happen when the russians eventually managed to grasp that the system system they had was working very badly.

In spades with China.

Sure, but modern first world economys are so immensely robust that they can handle stupiditys like the Vietnam and Iraq wars.

The market will sort it out fine if oil has in fact peaked and we start to see the effect of that on oil prices sustained over time.

There's no rush, even if oil production has peaked.

In my country almost no one uses oil for heating anymore, they all use natural gas or electricity now with a few still using wood.

That is just plain wrong too. That never happened in north america even with a full depression and two world wars.

Who cares ? They do that now. Modern first world democracys are robust enough to handle it fine.

That sort of thing never ever happens in the great democracys BECAUSE they are democracys.

That's just plain wrong too. Modern first world countrys dont have a problem with overpopulation, many of them arent even self replacing if you exclude immigration now.

I'm not stupid enough to have significant cash in the house.

And the rotty and the shotty will soon stop anyone stupid enough to not realise that.

There aint a single one.

I wont think twice about blowing the head off of anyone stupid enough to try it.

And we wont be seeing that sort of civil chaos anyway.

You lot have seen a bit of that, but thats mostly just been ghettos going up in flames.

We dont ever get any of that at all.

Sure, but their stupiditys are irrelevant to me.

They mostly grovel to some damned 'god' or other too.

Irrelevant to me.