Mark Foster
NIP arrived. 956Martin Brown Quite, so they need re-training. I don't care what you point out as long as it is factual. See below. Granted that some roads and sections...
In many cases on the dangerous roads they are already dead after making a serious mistake. How exactly do you propose to resurrect them?
The dangerous road observation is usually made by the coroner and the police after they have scraped up the remains of the third or fourth baneity from the same piece of road. Once a place gets this kind of notoriety it gets blamed for everything - even crashes that occur nearby.
You are conflating two separate components of road hazard in what seems to be a deliberate attempt to mislead. Your agenda that there are no dangerous roads is spurious. There are and people kill themselves on them with monotonous regularity. I don't like the roads being blamed for it either, but given the population of drivers it is inevitable.
NIP arrived. 957Christian McArdle You're still having difficulty in understanding what some of us are on about aren't you...
NIP arrived. 960sounding much like they were saying : Indeed. And pbutting the buck to the road is going to be counter...
I see mitigating the consequences for everyone when someone else fouls up as a reasonable approach. Enlightened self interest. Driver error is a fact of life - no human endeavour is perfect.
NIP arrived. uU|G*dfHK8Zr48 958I gave you an example. You choose to ignore it. Who says it doesn't reach them? If the news report had said that the driver had royally screwed up...
There are two main components to the danger inherent in driving a road.
1. The risk of having a crash (typically UK about 1 in 2,000,000 km) 2. The damage done when a crash occurs.
To illustrate the difference in danger of two roads consider the following toy example (not realistic since the mountain road would never be straight and so would be even more dangerous to drive). No crash barriers.
Roads for these purposes are level, infinitely long and die straight with ideal visibility. You will crash eventually due to human error.
Road one is through a desert and surrounded on both sides with soft sand. Make a mistake and the worst that happens is you stop abruptly and may get stuck in the sand.
Road two is hewn out of a mountainside with a 1000' vertical drop on one side and a similar height cliff on the other. Make a mistake on this road and you will very probably die.
Meaner still are the ridge roads where there is a 1000' drop on both sides of a pretty narrow road, or some jungle road bridges that consist of little more than two I girders across a ravine.
Are you really going to claim that there is no difference at all in the dangers posed by these scenarios? The expected outcomes are very different even though the risk of having an accident is identical.
NIP arrived. 959Mark Foster I think there has to be a component of layout geometry involved that makes...
I don't doubt that there are serious problems with some drivers, but the problem is how do you tackle it. Certain road layouts pretty much facilitate young and elderly drivers unintentionally committing dissolution (and usually taking some innocent third party with them in the process).
Regards, Martin Brown