The dangers of DRLs 4606

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 16:15:52 -0400, James C. Reeves

I don't mind looking at evidence you present. I do mind hunting for your evidence myself. Even more so as due to your refusal to present it the likelyhood of it being there at all is about zero.

I never claimed I had evidence that I don't have, thus I would be unsuitable for this job, unlike you, who constantly blathers about supposedly existing evidence he can't present.

What is so hard of just referencing one of the supposed studies in here?

You need reading glbuttes. dms.dot.gov leads to the "Docket Management System" (cut and pasted from dms.dot.gov).

Better luck with your FUD strategy next time.

Not when you make claims (like the one of documents being 'somewhere inside the DOT or NHTSA website').

No, you are making claims, that you cannot support.

What we need is you to pony up. You made several claims to the existence of documents, but you are unable to produce them and thus try to obfuscate your inability. It's exactly like the SCO case, where SCO claims code was stolen but is unable to actually present it in court.

if you want an ABS thread, open one

But it's highly interesting that you were able to post a link there right way, whereas you are still incapable of presenting a link to your 'studies'.

Then why do you buttert that drivers of DRL equipped cars (of which I am one) are incable of telling whether their lights are on? The drivers you are ranting about would not turn on their lights in morning fog with or without DRLs.

I have grave doubts that you are understanding what is happening at all.

No, I merely claim that the observant ones know, DRLs or no DRLs, whereas the non-observant ones don't know, DRLs or no DRLs.

I buttert that your 'observations' are very heavily biased, to the point of being worthless. Your demonstrated hate of DRLs and GM products makes you useless as an observer.

I don't mind driving non-DRL or DRL cars, non-auto headlight cars and auto-headlight cars, non-GM cars and GM cars. Thus I am relatively unbiased on this subject. My current car has DRLs and auto headlights and both work well for me, but if someone has a car without that doesn't make him worth less in my book. You on the other hand buttume that everyone, who doesn't follow your part of enlightment (or rather non-enlightment as you rather have lightless bozos than half-lighted bozos) is stupid and needs to bow down to your perceived superiority.

In bright daylight my headlights are off, I know that without checking. When it is foggy and bright (happens, even though its very rare) I switch on my headlights manually. And in conditions, where headlights normally are warranted (overcast with rain, dusk) I am able to see my instrument panel lighting (or use the radio as you described).

Btw, with snow and bright sunlight using your headlighs is creating the effect you were ranting about earlier, the headlighs mask the car against the white snow - unlike my DRLs, which are amber and easy to see in snow.

I merely suggested that if one of them has a defective GM car they need their car serviced, just as you would service a defective Honda or Chrysler. As I said above, your observations are tainted, so your buttertion that most of your GM driving coworkers have that problem is worthless anyway.

Why is that? About 100% of all automatic systems don't provide for every eventuality. A lift won't stop just because you are running towards it without human interaction. A coke machine has jams. ...

What nonsense. Automatic means that they switch on and off when the automatic system deems it necessary - and in almost all cases it is right about whether it is necessary or not. In some rare conditions the system needs intervention, which is understood by almost all people. Your problem is not the name of the system or that intervention is sometimes necessary but the fact that you need arguments to support your hate of GM in general and a few of their features in particular.

As most problems with headlight use-non-use are at dusk-dawn-twilight this is sufficient to make the system useful.

Not at all. You should see, how many people around here forget to switch on their lights at night because the street lighting is quite bright in most areas.

When it is overcast and gloomy-rainy my headlights switch on during the day too. Often before most other drivers have theirs on.

The typical driver of a 'manually controlled' car switches on their lights when a significant number of oncoming cars have their lights on (i.e. all the smart drivers have switched their lights on). Same for the typical driver of a DRL-auto-headlight car.

I do. Oncoming traffic is 'closing on you' much faster than you are closing on traffic going the same way, giving you more time to see a car headed in your direction than one going the other way.

Your closing on traffic going the other way is not dangerous unless you are driving too fast for conditions. The oncoming traffic is a different matter, as you cannot control their speed. Thus seeing an oncoming car may be essential for your safety whereas a car going in your direction is easily visible in time unless you are driving too fast.

Only if you are too stupid to adjust your speed to conditions. What do you to, for instance, if an unlighted obstacle is in your path?

The reason, why oncoming cars have to be visible earlier than cars going the same direction is because they may be too fast for conditions.

I am sure you are going to ignore my request for a reference again...

It is impossible to take all responsibility for a driver. Some systems support him (power steering, power brakes, ABS, DRLs, and so on). None of these systems is 100% perfect. Your buttertion that DRLs or auto headlights need to be 100% perfect to be useful is simply nonsense.

Then why your unfocused adoration of him in this thread?

I know quite a few people, who are good in their field and utterly fail to make this knowledge work for them because they have anger and arrogance issues. DS is one of them. If I want to know about lighting I go elsewhere because with the other guys I don't have to sort through their personality problems before accessing the info.

His credibility is about as low as yours, because he didn't post references to info he claims to have either.

If I want to know what bulbs go into my car's headlights I might use his 'knowledge' if I didn't already know. For DRL and auto-headlight info his bias makes his knowledge useless.

Chris