The dangers of DRLs 4636

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:24:01 -0400, Nate Nagel

I see a lot of old people in the car. I suppose the reason is the same as for Reeves to buy it, namely fear of modern features, specifically ABS. The Sebring is one of the few midsize cars that still is available without.

The employee discount is just a consolidation of the rebates they were giving before. Uppricing cars and then giving large rebates has been a way of life for quite a few car makers lately.

Currently: Yes, which is exactly what I said. The new models that are coming out are not. See Saturn Sky, Pontiac Solstice, even the already available Goat and CTS-V. More cars are going to be switched to RWD platforms and made for driving fun again, which will improve sales numbers even more than any discount scheme could.

buttuming something when buying a big-ticket item is simply stupid.

You may see it as stupid, I see it as smart. Stops total idiots from switching off their lights at night.

Reasons that mostly entail keeping your engine running where you should not beause of environmental reasons.

Given the number of GM cars driven by military personnel (including cars the military owns) I rather doubt that auto headlights are a problem at a security checkpoint.

I don't see it that way. And if you don't like GM, buy a compebreastor's car.

I don't think he is an idiot, neither do I think you are one. If you thought you were idiots I would not debate with you.

I merely pointed out that James did something stupid (and if you think only idiots do stupid things you are less sophisticated than I thought) and that like any good middle-clbutt American he needs to find someone to blame for his mistake. And a large company like GM is always a welcome victim.

If you have something productive to say, do so, otherwise I advise not commenting at all.

The differences have been big 20 years ago. Today the differences are quite small and ABS does a better job than just about any consumer grade sedan driver in every situation.

Ferrari had that when they first introduced ABS. The new models do not have an ABS off switch. Neither does Porsche or Mercedes-Benz, simply because ABS does work. It works even on the track, reducing tire wear, improving control and even making it possible to brake hard into the turn, which is a driving style that has become very fashionable.

No racer would seriously claim (like James does) that he induces a controlled skid with a 4-wheel non-ABS system.

No, it doesn't but that's exactly what James claims as the reason he doesn't want ABS on his car.

Look at page 23.

Insurance companies give a benefit where they think it will increase sales and not cost too much. Most drivers would be royally peeed if their insurance company gave discounts for DRLs, because they don't have them.

They are. Corvette. GTO. CTS-V. And upcoming models like Saturn Sky, Pontiac Solstice and more.

The readers of this small newsgroup are a very small minority and certainly not a feasible market for car makers.

And concerning my opinion, it is well founded unlike yours. I still want to see your references to sources that deem DRLs and automatic headlights dangerous. So far I have supported my opinion by an NHTSA study. You have not. And until you do so you certainly have no basis to call my opinion wrong.

Reeves did. He said that he wants GM to price the Goat down to the Mustang's level.

If they are giving away cars I want to see where. I could use a new Duramax Diesel Silverado. Last time I looked the Silverado I want is somewhere north of $40k which is nowhere near 'given away' or 'free.

GM is not giving anything away, they just price cars up and then give discounts. Apparently this works, because the less informed think they are giving something away.

Chris