The dangers of DRLs 4644

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 03:44:23 -0700, N8N

Explain.

Which ones? How much is the difference?

I have a lot of experience with ABS cars. None of them has tried to fight me. Unless of course you think the pulsating brake pedal is 'fighting', wihch in reality it isn't.

Which ones were better before the arrival of ABS? How were they better?

Well, if you look at the geezers, who buy the Corvette for looks, you may get that result, although I like the looks of the C6 much more than I did the C5 (even though I still like the C5). That the C6 is a much better sports car than the already quite capable C5 is a proven fact anyway.

The G35 carries almost exactly the same price tag as the GTO - without offering the capable engine and performance of the latter. The S2000 is more expensive than the GTO and not even close to the performance and driveability of the Goat.

I don't see anything offensive about the GM compebreastion to the Camry. What I do see as offensive is that the price tag for the Camry. A four cylinder sedan with pityful performance numbers for 20k...

If you say so...

It's funny how every time you run out of arguments you claim that something was posted earlier on in this thread. There wasn't, though, so either post your safety relevant argument against auto headlights or stop claiming there 'was one'.

You are confusing me with James. He loves the NHTSA. I don't. I just called his bluff and refuted his claim that the NHTSA deems DRLs dangerous.

You use automatic systems each and every day. When are you going to stop using them and emancipate yourself? Face it, this world is highly automated, if you think that you can't emancipate yourself just because you have a specific automatic feature on your car you really need to grow up a little. You sound like a three year old, who isn't allowed by mommy to play with the knives in the kitchen draver, but wants to because the grownups do it too.

Since when do you consider yourself a moron?

No, you 'ought' not. If you let every moron kill once before he gets certain dangerous things taken out of his hand, the US would be rather depopulated. If you really want to get rid of auto headlights and DRLs, find a howto and do it yourself (or pay someone if you are not smart enough).

No, just the naked and ugly truth.

We are talking cars here, not truck based SUVs. And even these have much improved ABS systems nowadays. You seem to belong to the majority of drivers, who think they alone are excellent and everyone else is a moron. It is an established fact that under emergency conditions in real life situations only a tiny percentage of drivers are able to beat even the worst ABS implementations. And it is a safe bet that neither you nor I are among these.

I can, but it's still not a controlled drift. A controlled drift means that the driver dictates the radius and the drift angle and makes the car go precisely where he wants it to go. The mere fact that you can recover from your uncontrolled skid (if you don't run out of road first) doesn't make your skid a controlled drift.

Then quote the letters and reference them. I am not going to dig through a mountain of bullpoo to find your supposed needle in the haystack.

One link to one study 1) is a source, so I indeed had-have a source and 2) is one source more than James and you have produced so far.

Because it is not of financial interest of them.

Amusing how you are trying to wiggle out of your corner. We are talking new vs new here. List the new cars that are better than the GTO but less expensive so you can keep up your claim of the GTO being overpriced.

What a pity...

Around here the Caddys seem to be the hot item, and their sales numbers support this view. Btw, I like the Caddys' angular styling, a refreshing departure from the Japanese desire to make every car look the same.

Apparently people do ask the question or the cars wouldn't sell well.

Nate, you made a statement that is simply untrue. Please don't insult your own intelligence and mine by trying to wiggle out of it.

The cars are very compebreastively priced for what they are. The fact that you cannot afford them doesn't change that.

Still not gonna be even close. Hot Rods that are made for driveability cost $$$$$$$ for a good reason. Everyone can slap a big block with a supercharger into a rusted-out 60s body. But that doesn't make a supercar, just a headache in the making.

Start with a, say, 70 Challenger. Repair the body to new condition. Add all the brake system and suspension goodies the new cars have. Install a totally new electrical system. Install current seats, carpet, headliner, a repro dash and all new instruments. Then add a 400hp Hemi, a T56 and all the necessary auxiliary devices. And you are not going to look at a 30k bill but more likely 100k. If that's enough.

Referring to nonexisting references. Funny.

Nonexisting references can't support any agenda.

I don't want to offend you, but you are quite a rare exception, a guy who rather has some cumersome old sled instead of a new car with all the amenities. The 944 was a better car than people give it credit for but it is decidedly dated. And if Porsche made it again it would be in a price range to compete with the Corvette Z06, which it is not even close to a match for.

You whine about overpriced cars, but in reality it is Porsche, who makes really overpriced cars.

I don't think that.

And I supported my opinion with a reference to a study, which is the customary way to support a claim. You on the other hand pushed over a wad of junk and told me to go dig in for something that you supposedly know the location of, so it would be zero effort for you to reference it. Thus your refusal to reference your supposed data can only mean that you don't have the data.

The original was a cooperation between Vauxhall (GB), Holden (AUS) and Opel (D). Holden very elaborately developed the platform (a coupe was not available from either Vauxhall or Opel) and put in the best drive train available at this price. Later on the car was offered in the US as Cadillac Catera (which failed miserably due to the lackluster V6 drivetrain and steep price tag.

Nate, you really need to at least gather the minimum information. First you claim the GTO is 40k. When I refuted that you wanted to pit it against some clapped out clunker. Now you don't even have an idea, where the design is from. For someone who brags as loudly as you do about what you know your performance is pitiful.

No. The Mustang GT is approximately 26, the better equipped GTO about 32k. So the difference with comparable equipment is even less than 5k.

It isn't. And even if it were, the Mustang isn't even in the same ballpark.

The median income in the US is about $45k, which means 50% of US citizens make more than 45k a year. The Goat costs 30k. So your claim is simply wrong.

No, they just import a specific model from overseas because it fills a gap in their lineup. It works.

On the contrary. Making people believe they get a great deal and raking in the money is a very viable long-term plan. Everyone wins.

Chris