Why the Govt won't raise the 40MPH speed limit for HGVs. 920

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Why the Govt won't raise the 40MPH speed limit for HGVs. 920 Absolutely! You have got to give those in front a chance to overtake. Yes I know some will be timid, some will have slower cars than yours. But... Why the Govt won't raise the 40MPH speed limit for HGVs. 921 I know perfectly well how to ovetake, but I am perpared to show courtesy to other road users. To overtake safety I need to know that there is room to... Why the Govt won't raise the 40MPH speed limit for HGVs. 922 Wayne Stuart A couple of episodes from several years ago that give rise to my comment. I was riding my small (50cc go to work type) motorcycle... Why the Govt won't raise the 40MPH speed limit for HGVs. 923 oldbobford Yeah, not good :-( This post is about increasing the speed limits rather than breaking the speed limits. On some roads it... Bad lane discipline I went to Slough yesterday, and got VERY annoyed with bad lane discipline :-( On a number of occasions I put my foot down on the m-way... Bad lane discipline DavidR Nope, I doubt it. I didn't mention it earlier because it isn't really relevant, but what the other cars did was unbelievable. One of them was an N reg Ford Transit with a big... Speed limit signs in Slough Does anybody know why I couldn't see any speed limit signs soon after comming off the m-way in Slough (Junction 6)? There appeared to be no signs, but everything else indicated that... NIP arrived. 927 Following up to MrBitsy I'll try and reexplain the point i'm making as people dont seem to be grasping what I'm saying from comments such as "you... NIP arrived. 928 Chris Bacon Yes, technically I exceeded the speed limit. I didn't deny that. However the issues here are consistency and... NIP arrived. N!rmpbcBiyXn8GRV.z60~gpz0J#a0P_LaB.sV 930 Often a pyrrhic victory though. I was able to prove in court a few years ago that the police officers who ***ted me had lied... NIP arrived. N!rmpbcBiyXn8GRV.z60~gpz0J#a0P_LaB.sV 931 You don't understand? I thought I'd done bloody well. And how many other people have access to the measuring kit and have the... NIP arrived. 932 I just went back and drove the road again to see where I was caught out. It has been confirmed to... NIP arrived. 933 net: for the past week, I have been trying to think how I managed to... NIP arrived. 934 Following up to Mark Foster and Brimstone Yesterday I hit the Uni of Berlin posting limit of 100 a... NIP arrived. 935 I have several thanks and I understand the meanings perfectly. The point is that the word is used far too liberally and serves to absolve the responsible party from blame. "I couldn't help it... NIP arrived. 936 Following up to Mark Foster only in your opinion, the authorities quoted earlier by others think otherwise, I seem to remember you said "you didn't care"? You go 99% of the way to saying the... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 937 No. Not just me. Well that's ok. If they use the term then it must be so. I don't really. There is no such thing as a dangerous road and that's all there is... NIP arrived. 938 Following up to Mark Foster whoops, didn't realise there was more below the historic "potential hazard" agreement! Eh? The dangerous roads would be (say) the 10% with the most accidents. My objection... NIP arrived. 939 were saying : But why does that make the road dangerous? Surely if the road was dangerous, crashes would happen on a grimy winter's monday morning, too? But The... NIP arrived. 940 Alternatively, look at it as a single system. It consists of tarmac with markings, junctions, signs, pedestrians, cars, bikes, lorries, police cars, pavements, etc. A "dangerous road" is a section of that... NIP arrived. 941 sounding much like they were saying : I have driven in Greece. Without having an accident. We got off the boat at Igoumenitsas, drove across the mountains via Meteora to... NIP arrived. 942 Okay, forget the chainsaw a minute. Take an unstable plant. Is that dangerous, even without someone 'using' it... NIP arrived. 943 Mark Foster No you clearly do not. You have to drive to within 2x the distance you can see to be clear since... NIP arrived. 944 It takes a human for this to be dangeous as they would need to ignore the sign. If nobody ignores the sign, it isn't... NIP arrived. 945 Yes. They are claiming that the physical characteristics of the road are such, that if they were to drive down a "safe" road they would not crash, whilst... NIP arrived. 946 Brimstone But the normal usage of a road is to carry traffic. An empty road isn't a normal situation in the UK unless you close it... NIP arrived. 947 That's your buttertion, not mine. That's your buttertion, not mine. I think your (and others) view of the meaning of... NIP arrived. 948 So why are you still arguing the same pooe that the road can be dangerous. Good. It doesn't though does it... NIP arrived. 949 Mark Foster I'm not, that's your bugbnear. I'm saying the same as always, that some roads are more dangerous than others for a given level of driver skill and attention. The instance I know... NIP arrived. 950 The psychology of it isn't that it feels more dangerous or risky. It's that nobody knows who belongs where and so there is no territorial insistence. Drivers slow down... NIP arrived. 951 Brimstone Inadequate visibility and a near certainty that some other driver will be far too fast for the conditions and-or... Techniques for new drivers was: NIP arrived OK. I'll Bite and here it is, a new thread. Here are few just to get the ball rolling. 1. The theory... Techniques for new drivers Mark Foster Hmm! I had in mind simple effective things that were practical in the real world rather than a wish list of impossible items. But in the spirit of the... NIP arrived. 954 Mark Foster OK. So we actually have a lot of common ground. The difficulty here seems to be in quantifying the danger buttociated with a given... NIP arrived. 955 Mark Foster In many cases on the dangerous roads they are already dead after making a serious mistake. How exactly do you propose to resurrect them? The... NIP arrived. 956 Martin Brown Quite, so they need re-training. I don't care what you point out as... NIP arrived. 957 Christian McArdle You're still having difficulty in understanding what some of us are on about aren't you? I'll try to help. With... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 958 I gave you an example. You choose to ignore it. Who says it doesn't reach them? If the news report had said that the driver had royally screwed up through poor... NIP arrived. 959 Mark Foster I think there has to be a component of layout geometry involved that makes some junctions a lot more dangerous than others for the average driver... NIP arrived. 960 sounding much like they were saying : Indeed. And pbutting the buck to the road is going to be counter- productive... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 961 Yes they are and that is precisely the point... which you are quite spectacularly failing to grasp. No, they don't. There is bad driving and badly engineered roads. When the two meet, there is... NIP arrived. 962 Not so. I see people accepting responsibility for their actions as important. Not necessarily the... NIP arrived. 963 sounding much like they were saying : 5-10%, perhaps. Yes, it does matter, if you want to correct it. Right. So you (or, more accurately, those whose job it is) DO and MUST give a... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 964 So, here is a good example. On the local news last night there was an... NIP arrived. 965 Mark Foster Or money. I object to this demonisation of "dangerous" junctions too. But it doesn't alter the fact that certain busy road junctions do have an appallingly high kill rate against the... NIP arrived. 966 sounding much like they were saying : Everything comes back to money. Always. It's one of the immutable facts of life. It's possible to do ANYTHING given enough money, but... NIP arrived. 967 Unfortunately your road-airline comparison fails. The number of vehicles involved in air traffic is tiny compared to that on the roads. The conditions are significantly more predictable - weather is... NIP arrived. 968 It would certainly be difficult to apply the same solutions to the road system. It is just the mindset... NIP arrived. 969 Yes, and you were wrong that time too. So here we go with the lack of logic skills. It requires a person to fire it. It is the action of... NIP arrived. 970 You have had the dictionary definitions of dangerous from three dictionaries and roads are covered nicely by all three. EuroRAP (the European... NIP arrived. 971 Following up to Mark Foster but you are going too far the other way. I agree. BTW I also rather wonder how often "lost control" is accurate either... NIP arrived. 972 Not really. Depending on the sightlines on the road, you have a greater or lesser chance of being able to see (and avoid) any nutters on the road, and a greater or lesser... NIP arrived. 973 The drivers do not change the physical construction of the road, but they do affect the element of danger... NIP arrived. 974 Following up to Brimstone Short answer:- no, safety, otherwise known as lack of danger. Long answer:- They are a source of safety. The opposite of danger. So the road before... NIP arrived. 975 Following up to Mark Foster please see below. Do you claim the above untrue? Remarkable. You are just saying "no it isn't" or "rubbish" all the time. That is meaningless. Some time ago I... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 976 Yes, your statement is rubbish. Your saying roads are dangerous all the time is meaningless. Your saying guns are... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 977 Oh yes you do. If you wish to claim that the object on the table is dangerous then you need to show how. You can't, because it isn't. Hoorah! Thank you. No. That is... NIP arrived. 978 Following up to Adrian this the crux of things. We are arguing about what words means in an environment where some people continually go back to statements about its the driver is to blame. They... NIP arrived. 979 I believe that it will. I honestly believe that if you change the way roads and crashes are described and... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 980 Technically yes. Yes. You noticed the changed conditions, adapted your driving appropriately and deliberately induced a skid which you controlled to your advantage. Job done. They, on the other hand, failed to notice the... NIP arrived. 981 No, he's to blame for failing to deal with the danger. The tree is the cause of the leaves, which is the danger. No, they caused an accident by failing... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 982 No it isn't. No. The absence of other factors means that the "dangerous" applies to the... NIP arrived. 983 OK, getting off the subject of misuse of language and back to the point. I actually disagree with your standpoint. I agree instead with that espoused by the AAIB (Air Accidents Investigation... NIP arrived. 984 David Taylor Using the term "dangerous" to describe a device or situation allows people to shift the blame whereas if the term "hazardous" were used... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 985 No. Those are your words not mine. I am in favour of making the danger of using the road less... NIP arrived. 986 I think we are essentially in agreement. Except that because you don't want people to be able to weasel out of things you're saying the use... NIP arrived. 987 No, you pay as much attentions as you think you need to. It is when the attention you think you need to pay is less than you really ought to... NIP arrived. 988 and Things No, the opposite is true. I no longer have to wory about direction signs. Complex junctions can be seen before being... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 989 Correct. I am sure there are those that would argue that Cape Horn is not inanimate. :-) Yes. Not so. When people call a road dangerous they are... NIP arrived. 990 Following up to Mark Foster yes :-) No, dangerous does apply to inanimate objects.The dictionary says so. They do not! They are saying it has a larger than... NIP arrived. uU\|GdfHK8Zr48 991 OK. There is a machine gun on the table. Please tell me precicely how it is going to hurt you. Quite. Neither is dangerous. They just require more effort... NIP arrived. 992 Following up to Brimstone I don't think they ever did. I think it all started with the idea (from... Some peds just have a restwish Just had my car M.O.T. done It's an old car so invariably there were a couple of things needed doing . . . one of which was a couple... FOR SALE: 1967 Vauxhall Viva HB SL90 2 door saloon blue FOR SALE: 1967 Vauxhall Viva HB SL90 2 door saloon (blue) By eBAY: NO RESERVE PRICE... 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